Good advice. Kids will be kids...mine think they are the coolest kids on the planet but they know right from wrong and they are really just a couple of young punks who still want mom to tuck them in at night and give them a kiss. These kids you speak of are just exploring and testing and experimenting and I think most of those described probably will turn out just fine. The pressure to fit in is enormous and its all part of the learning curve.

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we see eachother at the park and soon to be quite extensively with you mr. richard through July.

vaders take...and i don't care what heat this will create especially by the resident keeper of............. in this blog-land now adays

Kennywood...(prefaced ahead of time by an "i know i'm not all that" reminder from the ctrep. of pa.)...to my astonishment throughout the day was the number of heavy, obese, enormously obese people with electrical carts, letting it all hang-out apparently trying to draw the attention of perhaps a plastic surgeon or two that could help. what is wrong with "us" i work in a multi-national corporation and this "situation" just does not exist nearly anywhere else, its remarkably different in fact. here, in our country, it is remarkably plentiful and affecting younger-and-younger people, especially girls at an earlier-and-earlier age. we have a good Y in CT...go to it.

this leads vader to the other end of the spectrum...some of the girls were very-built and dressed well beyond their years (as noted by many of us through several blogs including this one) and in such a public area...the teen and teeny m4s's are starting to get drawn into this web of hotties and the dark lord is watching things closely, like 007 (rather agent smart in my case!). Its a tough call though, be alone, have a young-hottie girlfriend or a young heavy duty girlfiend. my advice has been none of the above....play your sports in every season (for us a never ending cycle..football, wresting/basketball, lacrosse, baseball, tournament ball and football again...while having to get straight A's or serious corporal punishment will ensue.

The park...my kids are there a lot because they play the game and have a true reason to be there, many of their buddies are earning an easy buck also at the concession stand or umpiring, both of which i think is a good thing for young kids to do. Do the teenies hang-out there? do they show-up sometimes by themselves? don't any of you remember having any kind of teenager social scene at all...losers perhaps at home in front of the TV? Alot of the kids up there are actually from winchester since they can get there easily by bike, or thier game is over and they want to hang-out.

the only major problem with that scene is that i agree, smoking has returned to the land of coolness for many teens. when and why did that happen? it has of course always been around but without a doubt tailed off in the 90's, it is back full-force not amongst adults only but amongst teens and young adults in large numbers. not explainable to m4s, perhaps sv missed this course during the strike (had to got there HF!!)

its been beat to death as you may all say ten or fifty times in response but the quanity of tats on girls at k-wood and the ink on such would definitely have been enough to fill the pen requirements of SV for the year (even with the strike!!! - sorry HF)

judgemental, hell yeah... molder of opinion and personality to go the straight path according to me, (in my opinion, not a fact folks, just an opinion!!!!!!!! try to grasp that concept!!!!) for sure. steering the little vaders away from the girls that will break your fast-food budget by 16 or shortly thereafter, you bet, hanging out at the park, under my and other adults relative supervision (i and other baseball dudes have busted down on some kids making them pick up thier own garbage, watching their mouth if needed, etc., but this is rare actually) in an area where sports are going on all around, the air is clean, the grass is green, the smoke is quickly extinguished by LAW (can't smoke under 18 folks), the dogs are good, their dad's money is green and grows on trees. AH, to be a young teenager again..excelling at sports, checking out and getting checked out by the chicks, talking trash on one another and each others teams, having fun period, those were good times.....never was in the smoking or drug club because "jocks" tended to not be welcome and didn't want to be welcome anyways. Summer is nearly here also and i hope most of you have those good teen summer memories that i do...out-freakin-standing.

later folks......i'll be at the land of many fields tonight, enjoying the company of sports aquaintenances, playing a major game (see u AM), pushing little 4s's on the swings, get a game of run-down going, etc...fun stuff for sure to this old kid.

My kids aren't quite at that age but I don't support just dropping them off at the park so they can run amok. I would also hope that any adult that I knew would tell me if they saw my kids behaving inappropriately at the park, or any other public place, for that matter. And i would apply the parental mantra of "guilty until proven innocent" to such situations.

Webcams at the park would provide the ability to see what's going on, and they'd also be good for checking out the action on the ballfields. Maybe Armstrong could sponsor the cams.

Your husband was walking around showing 8 inches?

Dancer Mom...I know I don't know you nor have seen you on here before, but you lob that one up and I am knocking it down.

Your right on this too it's not just girls it's the boys that wear their pants down to the knees (ok maybe half-way on the butt). Honestly I would never let me girls go out of the house looking like some of these girls do. My daughter who is in 5th. grade asked me if she could put make up on and I told her NO you don't need make up your pretty without it. Her response was other girls in 5th. grade are allowed I told her that I am not their parent I am yours. I also hope that if anyone sees my girls and they are acting or dressing in-appropriately that they tell me. I just think parents need to know where their children are and I hope that some of the people that read this entry that drop thier kids off now know what is going on at the park.

Melle...i agree but my take on things is a bit different....most, lets say, anti-societal styles of real question that you folks are discussing come out of the inner-city neighborhoods where they actually play a substantial part of not only ones style, standing and the proof to the magnitude of how much you are willing to show your rebellious side.... this is the requirements of inner-city life.

these styles then trickle ever so slowly into the adjacent neighborhoods outside of the inner-city hoods and eventually 5 - 6 years or more into our types of suburban communities and schools. pants hanging down started in the city. (here we go again HF...) substantial body covering tats especially on girls propogated from the cities and jails into the burbs ever so slowly by the lame lemmings of the ever more affluent areas radiating from the cities, thinking that they are on the edge of things and tats are all that...

C-town is what i like to tell my boys is full of "OUT" of style inner-city-kid wannabe's who's styles and the reason behind them show up 5 years late in our suburbs...hats to the side, no bend to the bill of a baseball style hat, plethoras of tats, piercings, ragged clothes, etc..., long-hair, smoking, etc....all out of the inner-cities where these "rebelious" looks and behaviour started.

the look right now in the cities is the buttoned-down dress shirt with only the top button buttoned, hat still cocked only ever slow-slightly. chains hanging from pockets (like some truckers/etc. do with their wallets). hat if worn straight pulled down way low , with ears 'tucked in', the bill of course remaining unbroken, boots in the summer, and completely untied, pants still sagging (thats the correct term girls for the style...saggin) but not ridiculously low as they were about 5 -6 years ago in major cities,just the pants way too long and bunched up on the boots, tats drying up in popularity ("make sure we are not seemingly following the burbs"), growing however in popularity amongst caucasions far removed from the real-styles that are current in the city.

if the kids of the burb's want to have the legitimate rebelious look, not just a wannabe, think we are all that and happening look, then go live in the inner-cities for a while, get with the real street styles and then bring it back to you bud's so at least you don't look so stupid as wannabes far removed from what you are actually trying to achieve.

once department stores start to deliberatly produce these 'street' looks its freakin over johnny, over. you buy it and wear it and you are an obvious suburban dude trying to be a cool city kid from the hood that invented all of these looks themselves and you will be wearing in 3-5 years or so. do you know how hard these kids laugh at the 'department store' rebels of the suburbs??? classic and i agree with them.

jmho