The Tuesday Teachers Meeting
Is it just me? Or are some of the usual pro-union bloggers not allowed to talk about the meeting before the vote? Were they warned not to post about it? Why no comment or disscussion?
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that everything is hush hush until the vote. I respect that and that is what it should be. They held a meeting to discuss it and then they will hold one to vote on it. I did get the impression that there is some internal squabbles but that should be expected since the union's position (according to the blue flyer in OCtober) was the FF was a non-starter. I am imagining that their is campaigning going on within the ranks. Which is a good thing. I think this community always wanted to have a vote by the rank and file and we are getting it. It will be a close vote to the 2/3 needed to approve. Time will tell.
That does make sense.But it also reeks of control. I cannot wait until Friday!
You may not like the process but you have to respect it. I do not buy into the Conspiracy theories. To you it may reek of control but in actuallity that is how their group is run. You have to live with that. Only the members can change it. You have to respect both sides to a degree in this process. They felt what they are doing is right and it the best interest of their respective members or community. None of us truly know what was going on during this whole process unless you are a board member or a memeber of teh teacher's neg. team. I would expect that there are scenarios that developed over time that altered thinking, positions and statements. I put the blame on this whole mess on the process and not the people involved (board, union or admin). The people involved had what they thought are the best interests of the district involved. One side is right and the other wrong but in the end the people involved are doing the best they can within the parameters they are given. Which ever way this things goes tomorrow night will not change my opinion of the people but I will question the process.
Geeze! Everything is a conspiracy to you! If the teachers settle, what will you have to complain about! You must get a job or life . . . or something. Your constant anger and negativity is always such a downer! The sun is shining! Life is what you make of it! Smile for a change!
This is a first. Someone upset at Angrymom.
Seneca, this is a joke, right?
Whoa! It is a right wing conspiracy! I knew it! Hillary was right! I better get down to the Y!
Maybe the YC hired me to stir things up! Maybe I have a job, other than what I do. What are you doing right now? Maybe I am watching you! Maybe I really am Janet Reno!
LMAO. For someone as angry & hateful as you are, you sure are one funny chick.
I would love to continue, but I have to put on my tinfoil hat and get ready for the big debate! (In between the periods!) And if someone flags that, they do not watch hockey!
Being catagorized as one of the pro-union, let me reiterate the fact that there IS NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT YET!! The teachers rec'vd the info last evening at a meeting-not a public meeting-but a union/informative meeting to provide them with all the specifics. They will be voting on the new contract proposal on Thursday-nothing else to report.
Did you have to yell???
(OK. I just checked the blog-o-meter. We're now at 90.75% of all postings. Suck it up. LETS GO.)
It's the hot blooded Italian in me-If a point does not sink in-I definitely need to yell!
Is how much the rank and file is getting pushed one way or the other by the union's so-called "leadership". I've been in a union and I can guarantee that there's a lot of pressure and coercion taking place. There's no way that the leadership is just objectively presenting the info and telling the rank and file to determine for themselves.
If more than 1/3 reject after all this, that's a sad state of affairs. At least the Board forced the teachers to take a stand by accepting the NBA.
SVEA, accept the NBA and get this over with. Start focusing on improving academic performance now, and look for compensation on your next contract in three years.
"There's no way that the leadership is just objectively presenting the info and telling the rank and file to determine for themselves".
Point of clarification: That is precisely what is happening. Objective presentation and self determination. The recommendation process and schedule of meetings follows the strictly outlined procedure in the SVEA constitution. And the "so-called leadership" has not pushed at all.
Could it be that the strike and community sentiment forced the Board to take a stand and accept the NBA? Several Board members were vocally unhappy about accepting the NBA at their public meeting. And 2 voted against it (one member was absent).
You must be naive if you believe that the union leadership's not pushing an agenda.
I'm OK if the Board reluctantly accepted the NBA, even if that was due to the "strike and community sentiment". If that's the case, the Union should accept too. The "strike and community sentiment" certainly didn't favor their position.
I know the leadership.
See Ghosts' post below for reference on the union leadership's position... no surprises there. Hopefully the rank and file manages to rise above their "leaders".
and they felt that they did not achieve what the membership had asked them to do so they could not recommend acceptance of the NBA. That's it in a nutshell.
Let it go man your stressing yourself out. It's OVER they have accepted the offer and we need to move on. 9 teacher's rejected it and that is nothing to how many teacher's this district employs.
3 different factions made recommendations last night. Two said to accept and the other said to reject. I called my friend who is a teacher and was there last night....he said that the negotiating team would recommend to reject only because they feel they didnt get what they were asking for. He said they do agree to most, and that he feels (the teacher) that if the teachers dont ratify there is a good chance that they will lose the benefit package and retroactivity. I would think that is correct. Dont want to see another strike. He also said that the October start date is a possibility if legal....not sure about that yet.
But here is my ?. If they dont start until October....there will still be vacation times for holidays. Those could be strike days so your kids will start late and go straight through until the end of school with very few days off....
just hope they ratify.....
Was someone offended??
It was like Christmas morning to me.
What happened to AverageJoe's comments?? Did he delete because he couldn't take the heat or was he flagged??? Too bad, cause I was enjoying the banter we had going. Did anyone else get a chance to view it before it disappeared??
All of the related stuff went away. I think Average Joe flagged TL, so YC pulled it to be on the side of caution. I think he was Paul Adametz!
When you got flagged, did it knock you off the web page? I had to restart.
(Thank god it doesn't hurt when YC does that)
I never noticed getting flagged, except for the three days I could not post anything! I just think I am hated because I am beautiful. I do not know what your excuse is!
They yanked the post's again.
Most of these elections go the way the negotiating team endorses it. So, if the negotiating team endorses pass, most likely it will (if they endorse pass and it fails, it puts the SVEA in the light of not truly representing their members.)
There is only so much pressure these factions can place on things...most of the sheep get led by the leadership.
Why are there 2 of you on the right side.
Are you becoming Sybilized?
Last time I checked I could only see one of me. I usually don't see double until past the dinner hour.
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Thanks,
YC
for responding.
do the yourcranberry site...................I bet there arent problems on any of the other yourtown sites...lol
troublemakers
I bet their are no other problems on the other sites either cause nobody uses them. Go and check you will see nothing like what we do here on this site. We like keeping YC busy. I hope they pay them well to keep up with all of us.
P.S. I said look at the sites don't post anything heck that will get you into trouble.
Ya all talk like you are at these meetings. Boy, I think when I vote for president it's not really me, but a someone leading me astray. That's what this sounds like. Which one of you have been at these meetings and voted against what you wanted?
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Are you from the south? Seems to me that we don't say YA ALL around these neck of the woods.
I made a promise, so I'm not going to ask to flirt with ya'all tonight.
No flirting tonight and I stayed up just for that purpose. I thought I could horn in on you (Shut up TL) before the other woman in your herum (sp) got back on line.
LMFAO!
because this wsa the only way to a settlement. By the board voting for it, it would push tremdous pressure on the union to accpet it as well. So I agree they were reluctant to accpet it but not becuase of community setiment but becuase this was probably the onyl way for a settlement and to get the rank and file to vote on a proposal. I bet the board knows that if they voted for it and teachers voted against it the outcry from the community. In my opinion the baord took the high road because their compromise not far off their original offer. But that high road was a calculated tatic to get a settlement.
I also agree with you Politics the Union leadership is not pushing anything. They want this to end as well. No conspiracies on either side
That the board accepted the arbitrators report as a means to force the union to do the same. But if you recall, the union had repeatedly demanded that the board "negotiate" ie. come up from their final offer. Accepting the proposal demonstrates that they did just what the union asked for. It is now time for SVEA to do the same. They need to "negotiate" even if it mean coming down from their final demand.
Good grief - I can't wait until this vote is over! My nerves can't take much more...